Steve Waldstein
Presentation + Questions & Answers
For ADD-Holistic Discussion Group
http://www.HolisticMed.Com/add/
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 22:34:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mark Gold
To: add-holistic@mLists.net
Subject: ADD Introduction of Visiting Expert
Hi! Before introducing the next Visiting Expert to the group, I would
like to take a moment to thank Jane Hersey for taking the time to visit
and provide very helpful information and resources. I was very impressed
with the practical advice and tools that are offered by the Feingold
Association. Thank you!
I am very happy to introduce our next Visiting Expert, Steve Waldstein.
He is one of the most knowledgable and respected practitioners in his
field. I have learned alot from reading his posts to Internet discussion
groups and regularly direct people to his web page for information and
referrals. I am grateful that he has offered to share his knowledge and
experience with us.
Steve Waldstein RSHom (NA) is a classical homeopath with 20 years
experience. He is the author of "How to Choose the Diet That's Right
for You," a book on individuality in nutrition. He is the President of
the Colorado Homeopathic Association and an officer and director of the
North American Society fo Homeopaths (NASH). He is certified as a
classical homeopaths by NASH. He has treated successfully hundreds of
childrean and adults diagnosed as ADD or ADHD.
Please join me in welcoming Steve to the group! [clap, clap, clap]
- Mark
mgold@holisticmed.com
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 21:46:09 -0500
To: add-holistic@mLists.net
From: Paula Lee
Subject: Re: ADD Introduction of Visiting Expert
Welcome Steve.
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 11:56:59 -0600
From: Steve Waldstein
To: add-holistic@mLists.net
Subject: ADD or ADHD and Homeopathy
Thanks for the introduction Mark.
As Mark stated I am a classical homeopath with extensive experience in
treating children with ADD or ADHD. I have treated a few adults also,
but much less then children.
First let me give you a case study to see what homeopathy looks like in
practice.
Robert was a 14 year old boy, who got into lots of trouble in school.
His teachers said he was always goofing off and not listening to them
and were very angry with him. He could not concentrate in schoolwork.
When he was younger (from preschool on) he had been extremely
hyperactive, he would literally bounce off walls, constantly moving.
About two years ago the hyperactivity went away and instead the not
focusing in school replaced it. He has now been diagnosed as ADD and
Ritalin was prescribed , but he had such bad reactions to it that his
parents took him off it. Before the change from hyperactivity to ADD
his grade point average was 3.1, now it is down to 2.2. He gets angry
easily over minor irritations, He is very restless in his sleep and
wakes his his covers all twisted up.
This is a short summary of what was actually 25 pages of notes taken
over a 3 hour initial appointment talking at times to bothe he and his
parents together, and at other times to each seperately.
Based upon the exact symptoms he suffered from (not the disease name
ADD) I choose to give him one dose of the homeopathic remedy Calcarea
Phosphorica 50M. NOTE: Do not give this on your own to someone, this
was the right remedy for this child but will not be the right remedy for
99.9% of children diagnosed as ADD.
The next day he became very angry- more so than usual. Immediately
after this he became a different child. His mother said the difference
was like day and night.
By one month he was able to focus on schoolwork much better but still
had some problem focusing. Instead of having to call his name five times
to get his attention, one time sufficed. His irirtability and anger
became much better. His sleep was much calmer.
By 3 months after the remedy his ability to concentrate remains similar
to at the one month level. His irritability and anger are even less.
His sleep is much calmer. His Grade point average has gone up to 3.2 ,
the best ever.
By 4 months he relapsed slightly and needed another dose of the same
remedy.
By 6 months he is totally able to concentrate. All the oroginal problems
are gone and we closed his case.
Look at the difference between what happened here and what happens when
someone takes Ritalin or similar drugs. With homeopathy he moved step by
step toward cure with no additional homeopathic remedies needed. With
Ritalin some symptoms are suppressed but nothing deeper is improved and
the drug is always needed.
These results were achieved with homeopathy. Homeopathy is a 200 year
old system of medicine based upon the LAw of Similars. This states that
a medicine which will prodice symptoms in a healthy person cures a
person with similar symptoms. Homeopaths have tested large numbers of
mostly natural substances on healthy people to see precisely what
symptoms they produce in healthy people. Then when we see a patient we
choose the homeopathic remedy which is capable of producing similar
symptoms to those of the patient.
Homeopathys works on achieving cure not suppression (driving symptoms
inward).
There are many people who use homeopathic remedies without understanding
homeopathy. To get the type of results I have described you need to see
a real homeopath- which is usually called a classical homeopath. To
make the search for real homeopaths easier I have a web page which
refers people in the US and Canada to good homeopaths. The web address
is
http://homeopathy-cures.com/
I would be glad to answer any questions you have on ADD or ADHD or other
childrens behavioral problems on this list for the next 2 weeks. To
learn more about homeopathy and ADD, I recommend an excellent book,
"Ritalin Free Kids" by Judith Reichenberg-Ullman and Robert Ullman.
My web site listed above also has additional information on homeopathy,
other good books to read, good homeopathy websites and information on
our practice in Denver.
Thanks Mark for inviting me to temporarily join your list. If I can help
in any way let me know.
Steve
Steve Waldstein RSHom (NA)
Classical Homeopathy, Inc.
2600 S. Parker Road #1-313
Aurora, CO 80014 USA
Phone: 303-338-1776
E-mail: stevew@dimensional.com
Web Page:
http://homeopathy-cures.com/
From: Scofamily@aol.com
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 17:11:39 EDT
To: add-holistic@mLists.net
Subject: Re: ADD or ADHD and Homeopathy
Hi Steve,
I am curious about Homeopathy in treating develomental delays since attending
a dinner recently (sponsored by the Developmental Delay Registry in
Washington, DC) in which a testimonial was given by a mother whose child was
treated with Homeovitics for exposure to xenobiotics - environmental
pollutants.
To summarize, my son, 12 years, is diagnosed with a nonverbal learning
disability manifesting itself as immature behavior and impulsivity. His
overall cognitive functioning appears to be developing slower than others his
age. He is currently taking 30 mg Dex and 1,000 mg Tegretol per day. In
addition, he takes nutritional supplements prescribed by the HRI Pfeifer
Institute (Vit B's, C,E,Mg,Mn, Zn, DMAE, folic acid)
In your introduction you mentioned that you ask many questions and take
copious notes when interviewing a patient. What kinds of questions do you ask
and what information do you need to come up with suggestions for therapy? A
few examples would be nice. I realize the interview process takes a long
time!
Thank you,
Teresa
Scofamily@aol.com
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 17:35:45 -0600
From: Steve Waldstein
To: add-holistic@mLists.net
Subject: Re: ADD or ADHD and Homeopathy
> To summarize, my son, 12 years, is diagnosed with a nonverbal learning
> disability manifesting itself as immature behavior and impulsivity. His
> overall cognitive functioning appears to be developing slower than others his
> age.
I have treated about 30-40 children with delayed development. Usually
they can be helped significantly. Actually I really like seeing
patients like this as so often the results are so satisfying.
The difficulty is finding the right remedy. There are over 2000
homeopathic remedies and only one is the perfect one for him and a few
others are close enough to help. A homeopath needs to look not at
delayed development but who your son to find precisely the right
remedy. One issue here is patience, whether you would have patience to
wait thru a number of wrong tries, if neccessary. I have been in
practice for 20 years and at this point I average getting the remedy
right 70% of the time, the first try, 20% of the time it takes 2-4 tries
to get it right with 1-2 months bewteen each try and 10% of the time I
can't find the right one. This is after lots of experience. A less
experienced homeopath will tend to take longer to find the right remedy.
Tremendous improvement can be found, if you have the patience to wait
for it.
> In your introduction you mentioned that you ask many questions and take
> copious notes when interviewing a patient. What kinds of questions do you ask
> and what information do you need to come up with suggestions for therapy? A
> few examples would be nice.
We start off by asking each of you to describe what the problems are -
not in diagnostic labels, not in generaliites but in very precise terms.
We ask about his personality, his likes, his dislikes. What every
physical symptoms is in great detail. About any significant events in
his life. ANd all the while we are observing- we get even more data
from observation then from what we are told. Each appointment goes in
different directions depending upon what the limitations are. But really
we are trying to find out, on all levels, who is this person in front of
us.
Steve
Steve Waldstein RSHom (NA)
Classical Homeopathy, Inc.
2600 S. Parker Road #1-313
Aurora, CO 80014 USA
Phone: 303-338-1776
E-mail: stevew@dimensional.com
Web Page:
http://homeopathy-cures.com/
From: YCaryl@aol.com
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 21:57:57 EDT
To: add-holistic@mLists.net
Subject: Re: Re: ADD or ADHD and Homeopathy
I'm 59, very smart but also very unfocused, and obese at more than 350 pounds.
I have severe sleep apnea, which, together with the obesity, causes breathing
problems if I walk much, so I use a motorized scooter a lot of the time. I
have gone to all sorts of holistic practitioners over the years, including one
of the homeopaths on your list (one of the ones in boldface even!), but I've
never met any holistic person who had any insight into why I should be so very
large.
My own theory is that it has something to do with thyroid (was always on the
low end of basal metabolism tests as a kid) and also something to do with the
fact that I took amphetamines by prescription from about age 12-20 for weight
control even though in those days I was only about 20 percent overweight at
most. I was once in a group of very large women all over 250, and the one
thing we had in common was dexedrine prescriptions as kids.
Now that I know a little about ADHD and ritalin, I wonder, too, about the
effectsof dexedrine on my brain. I do remember that it didn't calm me down --
on the contrary, it made me feel speedy and sometimes good and sometimes
anxious.
So -- any thoughts on all this?
Thank you.
Caryl in Minneapolis
To: add-holistic@mLists.net
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: ADD Individuality & Diet
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 23:37:25 -0700
Hi Steve,
I'm very interested in the title of your book - "How to Choose the Diet
That's Right for You." For years I have tried following various diets
recommended by "authorities" who all contradict each other; and I now have
a strong hunch that the right diet is different for each person. Yet there
must be some sort of "cluster effect" of body types that react similarly to
similar foods. Yet after all my layperson's research into nutrition, I
find good-quality information very difficult to come by.
I've never seen your book, what is its basis?
Thanks!
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:34:30 -0600
From: Steve Waldstein
To: add-holistic@mLists.net
Subject: Re: ADD Individuality & Diet
> I'm very interested in the title of your book - "How to Choose the Diet
> That's Right for You." For years I have tried following various diets
> recommended by "authorities" who all contradict each other; and I now have
> a strong hunch that the right diet is different for each person. Yet there
> must be some sort of "cluster effect" of body types that react similarly to
> similar foods. Yet after all my layperson's research into nutrition, I
> find good-quality information very difficult to come by.
>
> I've never seen your book, what is its basis?
This book was published in 1984 and is now out of print (though We are
privately reprinting it and will have it available in approximately 2
months.
The basis is that everyone has very different nutritional needs, and
that even sub-dividing into body types does not work well. Instead you
need to learn 1. what is a general good diet to try offering your body
and 2. learn to listen to your bodies responses to what it likes and
what it does not. So part look at things like listening to your
cravings and learning which ones are real and need to be listened to and
which ones are from pathology and should be ignored. Another part
examines lots of the controversial areas in nutrition and tries to makes
sense of all the conflicting information available.
Steve
Steve Waldstein RSHom (NA)
Classical Homeopathy, Inc.
2600 S. Parker Road #1-313
Aurora, CO 80014 USA
Phone: 303-338-1776
E-mail: stevew@dimensional.com
Web Page:
http://homeopathy-cures.com/
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:44:07 -0600
From: Steve Waldstein
To: add-holistic@mLists.net
Subject: Re: ADD or ADHD and Homeopathy
> I'm 59, very smart but also very unfocused, and obese at more than 350 pounds.
> I have severe sleep apnea, which, together with the obesity, causes breathing
> problems if I walk much, so I use a motorized scooter a lot of the time. I
> have gone to all sorts of holistic practitioners over the years, including one
> of the homeopaths on your list (one of the ones in boldface even!), but I've
> never met any holistic person who had any insight into why I should be so very
> large.
Why is something I don't know. Could the amphetamines have had an effect
- yes. Did they- I don't know. But we usually can help make an obese
person a healthier obese person- and sometimes they also lose alot of
weight but not always. With the homeopath you saw- did they feel that
they found the right remedy or were they still searching. As I mentioned
yesterday, you don't always find the remedy the first try- sometimes it
takes a number of tries. Once the right remedy is found, it will start
moving things in the right direction. Sometiems the progress is quite
fast and sometimes slow- and patience is needed.
Steve
Steve Waldstein RSHom (NA)
Classical Homeopathy, Inc.
2600 S. Parker Road #1-313
Aurora, CO 80014 USA
Phone: 303-338-1776
E-mail: stevew@dimensional.com
Web Page:
http://homeopathy-cures.com/
To: add-holistic@mLists.net
Subject: Re: ADD Individuality & Diet
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:26:41 EDT
Sender: owner-add-holistic@mLists.net
On Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:34:30 -0600 Steve Waldstein
writes:
>xxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>>
>> I'm very interested in the title of your book - "How to Choose the Diet
>> That's Right for You." For years I have tried following various diets
>> recommended by "authorities" who all contradict each other; and I now have
>> a strong hunch that the right diet is different for each person.
====================
As someone new to this list and fairly new to recognizing and coping with
ADD, I am excited by the possibilities offered by holistic approaches. I
would certainly appreciate information on _How to Choose the Diet That's
Right for You_ when it becomes available again.
I have read a variety of things lately that emphasize the importance of
listening to one's various body signals--and PAYING ATTENTION to them--in
order to address issues as diverse as weight loss, mood swings,
concentration . . . it's amazing, and a bit scary, that something so
fundamental is so overlooked these days.
To: add-holistic@mLists.net
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: ADD Individuality & Diet
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:31:14 -0700
emcklvee@juno.com wrote:
>
>I have read a variety of things lately that emphasize the importance of
>listening to one's various body signals--and PAYING ATTENTION to them--in
>order to address issues as diverse as weight loss, mood swings,
>concentration . . . it's amazing, and a bit scary, that something so
>fundamental is so overlooked these days.
Can you suggest any reading material?
Also - I would love to read Steven's book. When will it be available?
I still haven't figured out what to eat, after years of trying. As an ADD
person, I've always had a hard time keeping good food journals. And there
are so many variables - ingredients, food combinations, outside factors,
etc... I am desparate for help in this area.
Thanks,
From: YCaryl@aol.com
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 20:15:02 EDT
To: add-holistic@mLists.net
Subject: Re: Re: ADD Individuality & Diet
Thank you for your reply, Steve.
How can we on this list be sure we know when your book is available? Exactly
what I do not know is how to listen to my body's cravings, to know which are
healthy and which are not.
Caryl
From: emcklvee@juno.com
To: add-holistic@mLists.net
Subject: Re: ADD Individuality & Diet
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 21:20:45 EDT
On Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:31:14 -0700 xxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx
writes:
>Can you suggest any reading material?
>
>Also - I would love to read Steven's book. When will it be available?
>I still haven't figured out what to eat, after years of trying. As an ADD
>person, I've always had a hard time keeping good food journals. And there
>are so many variables - ingredients, food combinations, outside factors,
>etc... I am desparate for help in this area.
====================
Regarding general principles on how and when to eat, I'd recommend books
by Jean Antonello, a registered nurse and dietician. She really comes
down hard on the things in our culture that have trained people to ignore
the body's wisdom. She is specifically concerned with weight loss and
maintenance, but her call for common sense applies in other areas of life
as well.
For instance, I have found that ignoring the body's signals for water can
sometimes exacerbate my ADDness as much as lack of good nutrition or lack
of sleep. Poorly hydrated brain cells don't contribute to mental clarity
and a sense of well-being.
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 06:25:00 -0500
From: "Patti"
Subject: Re: ADD or ADHD and Homeopathy
Dear Steve...
I took my son to a homeopathic "doctor" and she prescribed and gave him one
dose of stramonium... I think that is the spelling, but you would know for
sure. The difference was remarkable, but considering he went to his dad's
house for visitation, the remedy did not last. She has given him another
dose, that lasted for several days as well. Maybe she did not "get" the
right remedy??? I had really hoped this might do the trick... What is your
experience with this? I really don't have endless resources to continue
going each and every time he flares up , as visits with a remedy are around
$100.,
Thanks!
Patti
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:32:46 -0400
From: George von Hilsheimer
Subject: Re: ADD or ADHD and Homeopathy
In most cases the homeopathic 'remedy' is not a remedy but a palliative, and
you have to learn and get kits of medicines and manage yourself. Remember
that alternative medicine is an alternative way to make money.
Dr. Von
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:53:28 -0500 (CDT)
From: Pam Myers
Subject: Re: ADD or ADHD and Homeopathy
Hi all,
Homeopathy is a well respected system of treatment.
For more information see:
http://www.homeopathy.com/
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Pam Myers: pmyers@mail.coin.missouri.edu
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:11:53 -0400
From: "Lisa Graham"
Subject: Re: ADD or ADHD and Homeopathy
Not so. Homeopathic remedies assist in the restoration of "balance" to the
body. And you don't have to buy "kits". Homeopathy is very cost effective
for our family. As for learning to manage oneself, hopefully that is
something we all do everyday. Not just in our health, but every facet of
our lives requires management to some degree. And your comment about money?
ha ha You seem biased, and lack knowledge about homeopathy and apparently
other forms of "complementary" medicine as well. Lisa
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 14:37:31 -0600
From: Steve Waldstein
Subject: Re: ADD Individuality & Diet
xxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> Can you suggest any reading material?
> Also - I would love to read Steven's book. When will it be available?
I will advise the group when my book is reprinted.
A good book is "Diet and Nutrition" by Rudolf Ballentine.
It is funny that we are going off in a nutrition direction so much,
though I feel that for ADD and ADHD, nutrition, though important, will
not solve the problem, while homeopathy can cure, in the majority of
cases.
Steve
Steve Waldstein RSHom (NA)
Classical Homeopathy, Inc.
2600 S. Parker Road #1-313
Aurora, CO 80014 USA
Phone: 303-338-1776
E-mail: stevew@dimensional.com
Web Page:
http://homeopathy-cures.com/
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 14:58:43 -0600
From: Steve Waldstein
Subject: Re: ADD or ADHD and Homeopathy
George von Hilsheimer wrote:
>
> In most cases the homeopathic 'remedy' is not a remedy but a palliative, and
> you have to learn and get kits of medicines and manage yourself. Remember
> that alternative medicine is an alternative way to make money.
>
> Dr. Von
I am sorry but I don't agree. A large amount of homeopathic training
goes into the differences between suppression, palliation and cure. On
follow-up visits homeopaths are constantly evaluating to make sure that
there is a curative reaction. I have treated a large number of people
who no longer have their original problems and are no longer taking
homeopathic remedies because they are cured.
Self treating with a home kit is fine for first aid problems and
reasonable for acute disease but for chronic disease like ADD/ADHD you
can't self treat or treat your family very effectively. Homeopathy is
very difficult and takes many years of training.
As far as the slur about we are in it for the money, I would find it
hard to think of another career that provides so little financial
compensation relative to the number of years of study.
Steve
Steve Waldstein RSHom (NA)
Classical Homeopathy, Inc.
2600 S. Parker Road #1-313
Aurora, CO 80014 USA
Phone: 303-338-1776
E-mail: stevew@dimensional.com
Web Page:
http://homeopathy-cures.com/
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 15:23:18 -0600
From: Steve Waldstein
Subject: Re: YCaryl ADD ADHD and homeopathy
Richard Geller wrote:
> Sounds like a problem with carbohydrates/wheat/corn etc. You might want
> to try the Atkins diet. Many report their minds become clearer and life
> becomes a lot better within a few weeks from starting Atkins or similar
> low carb diet. Basically you cut out potatoes, bread, pasta, sugar,
> wheat, corn products, and stick to meat, chicken, fish, eggs, and low
> carb veggies such as salads, greens, cauliflower, broccoli, cabbage.
> --Richard from Tarzana
I would not recommend this as a long term diet for most people. But one
can experiment and see what works well for them.
Steve
Steve Waldstein RSHom (NA)
Classical Homeopathy, Inc.
2600 S. Parker Road #1-313
Aurora, CO 80014 USA
Phone: 303-338-1776
E-mail: stevew@dimensional.com
Web Page:
http://homeopathy-cures.com/
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:54:34 -0400
From: George von Hilsheimer
Subject: ADD Steve's Overdefensive response
Steve, people in alternative medicine all get paid. Pay always shapes what
happens. I did NOT slur you or your fellows. I merely pointed out a truth.
You get paid, M.D.s get paid. I get paid. I didn't even say "its ONLY an
alternative way to make money." However, in my book, competent,
compassionate, caring healers always urge their clients, patients, pupils to
learn, care for themselves and to be aware, and wary. I tell my patients,
NEVER trust me, I make mistakes, and I have an ego and I have unconscious
drives too. Trust what I teach you which is solid, good, deep, useful, true
for you.
The homeopath who saw this child should have outlined a path, made a
prediction re time, and told what outcomes to expect. And should have
started the process of education.
It would be useful if you, yourself, would post a good case history of an
ADHD child who is now no longer ADHD so that we can see the path by which
this occured. You might even refer us to published studies of homeopathic
cures of ADHD. My own case histories and those of people who work as I do
are always readable at www.eegspectrum.com.
Me, I'm very wary. However, Sam Corson did CURE hyperactive dogs by simple
interventions. We CURE hyperactive and ADD children by a simple
intervention - and I always advise parents to buy their own machine and
learn to train their own child - buy one as a group. If its that simple,
its that simple.
Moreover, if I spend time with you I give you a bill, but I'm always
teaching and liberating. If a patient still needs me after 3 months then it
was either a very difficult case, or I screwed up (or the parent didn't
follow the plan). If he gets hit by a truck, maybe he'll need me again, but
I will already have taught Mommy what to do.
It never hurts to remind our clients that we are human and fail.
Dr. Von
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:26:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mark Gold
Subject: Re: ADD or ADHD and Homeopathy
Steve,
Thank you for sharing your expertise. Being the inquisitive sort of
fellow, I have a few questions. If it is too many for one sitting, please
feel free to split it up and answer the one or two that seem most
relevent.
- I have heard through friends that it is common for symptoms
to worsen or change for a brief period after being given a
homeopathic remedy. Is that true? And if so, what percentage
of time does it occur and generally how long does this period
last?
- One of the under-utilized aspects of Holistic Medicine is the
patient interview. Learning details about a patient, his/her
diet, lifestyles, emotional issues, etc. Given that, by
defination, experienced Classical Homeopaths such as yourself
learn quite a bit about a patient before prescribing a
homeopathic remedy, based on what you learn, do you ever
suggest diet or lifestyle adjustments to complement the
treatment.
I understand that the primary curative treatment is to
provide the *correct* homeopathic remedy. I am just
interested in what you and most other Classical Homeopaths
usually do in the diet and lifestyle area -- whether to
supplement the homeopathic treatment or as a preventive
medicine suggestion.
- You mentioned that there are ~2,000 homeopathic remedies.
Is it possible that there will be cases of behavioral disorders
where none of the remedies are a "perfect match", but a
couple are "pretty close"? If that happens, what can the
Homeopath do?
- I know that adults and some children can sometimes be "guarded"
about what they reveal about themselves emotionally (or perhaps
even physically). Do you ever find that this significantly
hinders your ability to find the correct remedy?
- I have heard that homeopathy is very popular in Europe.
Are the practitioners primarily Classical Homeopaths
or is it a mixture of Classical Homeopaths with lots of
training and others with perhaps just a few workshops?
For our non-North American list members, are there any
organizations which compile a list of experienced Classical
Homeopaths? If not, is it best then to contact certain
types of Homeopathy colleges for a referral?
I know that you mentioned the book, "Ritalin Free Kids" by Judith
Reichenberg-Ullman and Robert Ullman for information on homeopathy
and ADD. Feel free to let me (us) know if the answers to these
types of questions are in this book.
Best Wishes,
- Mark
mgold@holisticmed.com
Holistic Healing Web Page
http://www.HolisticMed.com/
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 14:52:00 -0600
From: Steve Waldstein
Subject: Re: ADD or ADHD and Homeopathy
Patti wrote:
> I took my son to a homeopathic "doctor" and she prescribed and gave him one
> dose of stramonium... I think that is the spelling, but you would know for
> sure. The difference was remarkable, but considering he went to his dad's
> house for visitation, the remedy did not last. She has given him another
> dose, that lasted for several days as well. Maybe she did not "get" the
> right remedy??? I had really hoped this might do the trick... What is your
> experience with this? I really don't have endless resources to continue
> going each and every time he flares up , as visits with a remedy are around
> $100.,
It depends- if these were liquid doses, then they may just need frequent
repitition- ask the homeopath. If these were dry pills- it may be the
wrong strength or it may be a close to right prescription but not the
perfect one. You need to ask your homeopath. Homeopathy is very hard to
practice, finding the perfect remedy and dose is sometimes very
difficult, but the results when it is found are amazing.
Steve
Steve Waldstein RSHom (NA)
Classical Homeopathy, Inc.
2600 S. Parker Road #1-313
Aurora, CO 80014 USA
Phone: 303-338-1776
E-mail: stevew@dimensional.com
Web Page:
http://homeopathy-cures.com/
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 17:22:08 -0600
From: Steve Waldstein
Subject: Re: ADD Defensiveness
George von Hilsheimer wrote:
> If you are telling me that we should not encourage patients to learn, to be
> self responsible, to know all they can about themselves and their children,
> and to be as responsible as possible for themselves, make your own self clear.
Any good homeopath teachs their patients all they are willing to learn
about homeopathy and has many books available to read. And they
encourage them to take control of their life as much as possible.
But despite this, chronic disease is not something that you can
self-treat with homeopathy. Also you can't treat yourself for chronic
problems. I can't treat myself as I do not have the perspective to see
my problems, I only know my experience of them.
The long term goal in homeopathy is curing a person so they don;t need
treatment anymore, In some patients that takes the long initial
appointment and 1 or 2 monthly follow-ups. In other more serious cases
it is year after year of step by step removing of layers of problems.
But the visits start monthly and tend to get less and less often over
time.
> That's the way I prefer my patients to be
> - I've sent two mommies home this week with a biofeedback machine, its a lot
> easier for them in that manner, and any practitioner who doesn't want her
> patients to learn and to evaluate for themselves is just out of step with
> humane medicine, in my unhumble opinion.
I am glad that this works with your approach. With homeopathy the
equivalent is that after we find the right remedy, and as the patient
understands the process, with liquid remedies they can learn to take the
remedy themself when needed to move the cure along. And eventually they
don't need it at all.
Steve
Steve Waldstein RSHom (NA)
Classical Homeopathy, Inc.
2600 S. Parker Road #1-313
Aurora, CO 80014 USA
Phone: 303-338-1776
E-mail: stevew@dimensional.com
Web Page:
http://homeopathy-cures.com/
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 17:30:35 -0600
From: Steve Waldstein
Subject: Re: ADD or ADHD and Homeopathy
Mark Gold wrote:
> 1. I have heard through friends that it is common for symptoms
> to worsen or change for a brief period after being given a
> homeopathic remedy. Is that true? And if so, what percentage
> of time does it occur and generally how long does this period
> last?
Often a person gets worse before they get better, This is not a side
effect but the person getting stronger and the body throwing off old
problems. It is a good sign. It usually starts within the first week,
it usually doesnt last long, and it usually is not a big deal. If the
dose of the remedy is chosen perfectly, adjusting it to the sensitivity
of the patient, then it wont happen at all.
> 2. One of the under-utilized aspects of Holistic Medicine is the
> patient interview. Learning details about a patient, his/her
> diet, lifestyles, emotional issues, etc. Given that, by
> defination, experienced Classical Homeopaths such as yourself
> learn quite a bit about a patient before prescribing a
> homeopathic remedy, based on what you learn, do you ever
> suggest diet or lifestyle adjustments to complement the
> treatment.
Every homeopath approaches this differently. If there are major
obstacles to cure, that keep them from getting well- these need to be
addressed immediately. Otherwise I wait until after the right remedy is
found and they start to improve. At some point after the right remedy,
maybe a month, maybe a year, but at some point, a change happens inside
the person and from within them they start changing ther lifestyle. This
is when I start talking diet and lifestyle issues with them, because
they can hear it now, where before it would have been inside one ear out
the other.
I have to leave for the day and will answer the other questions
tommorrow.
Steve
Steve Waldstein RSHom (NA)
Classical Homeopathy, Inc.
2600 S. Parker Road #1-313
Aurora, CO 80014 USA
Phone: 303-338-1776
E-mail: stevew@dimensional.com
Web Page:
http://homeopathy-cures.com/
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 11:34:23 -0600
From: Steve Waldstein
Subject: Re: ADD or ADHD and Homeopathy
I am continuing to answer Mark's questions.
> 3. You mentioned that there are ~2,000 homeopathic remedies.
> Is it possible that there will be cases of behavioral disorders
> where none of the remedies are a "perfect match", but a
> couple are "pretty close"? If that happens, what can the
There is a concept in homeopathy called the simillimum- which is the
remedy which is the closest match with the symptoms of the patient. The
simillimum will tend to totally transform the life of the patient,
raising them to a high level of health in the shortest time possible.
Sometimes the simillimum for a patient is not one that we have tested as
a homeopathic remedy- so the best we can do is find a close similar.
This similar will still cure a person but not as fast and not as deep
and other remedies may be needed to complete the cure. Think of it as
the difference between a hole in one in golf versus a series of shots
all moving in somewhat the right direction and eventually reaching the
hole.
> 4. I know that adults and some children can sometimes be "guarded"
> about what they reveal about themselves emotionally (or perhaps
> even physically). Do you ever find that this significantly
> hinders your ability to find the correct remedy?
Yes we need to look real deeply at what is going on in the patient. But
the fact that they are guarded and the way they are guarded and what
areas they are guarded about are pieces of the puzzle that we can use in
choosing the remedy. But in general men are sometimes harder to treat
then women because they are more guarded as a rule.
> 5. I have heard that homeopathy is very popular in Europe.
> Are the practitioners primarily Classical Homeopaths
> or is it a mixture of Classical Homeopaths with lots of
> training and others with perhaps just a few workshops?
> For our non-North American list members, are there any
> organizations which compile a list of experienced Classical
> Homeopaths? If not, is it best then to contact certain
> types of Homeopathy colleges for a referral?
There are many people who call themselves homeopaths who know almost
nothing about it. One way to tell real homeopaths is to see if they are
certfied as a homeopath. The following applies to the US and Canada
For a MD homeopath they should have DHt after there name
For a Naturopath (ND) they should have DHANP
For a professional homeopath they should have RSHom (NA)
For any they should have a CCH.
Or you can look at my website listed below which shows most of the good
homeopaths in the US and Canada.
For elswhere check with the classical homeopathic society in your
country for referrals.
> I know that you mentioned the book, "Ritalin Free Kids" by Judith
> Reichenberg-Ullman and Robert Ullman for information on homeopathy
> and ADD. Feel free to let me (us) know if the answers to these
> types of questions are in this book.
What this books does well is show a large number of case histories of
people with ADD or ADHD cured with homeopathy.
Steve
Steve Waldstein RSHom (NA)
Classical Homeopathy, Inc.
2600 S. Parker Road #1-313
Aurora, CO 80014 USA
Phone: 303-338-1776
E-mail: stevew@dimensional.com
Web Page:
http://homeopathy-cures.com/
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 16:49:44 -0700
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: ADD Individuality & Diet
Steven,
What is the relationship between homeopathy and nutrition? If a patient
comes to see you with chronic digetive problems, will homeopathy alone
often cure them? Or do they generally need to make dietary modifications
as well? And if so how do they know what to do about their diets?
Thanks,
Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 01:49:37 -0400
From: Feingold Association
Subject: Re: ADD Individuality & Diet
At 02:37 PM 7/1/98 -0600, you wrote:
>
>It is funny that we are going off in a nutrition direction so much,
>though I feel that for ADD and ADHD, nutrition, though important, will
>not solve the problem, while homeopathy can cure, in the majority of
>cases.
Steve, it's not at all "funny" to discuss nutrition relating to ADHD
....... since in over 50% of people who try the Feingold diet (NOT strictly
"nutrition," because even junk-food freaks can do it), the person is
sufficiently better on the diet so that NO other intervention is necessary.
That includes homeopathy, supplements, EEG, meds, all the stuff that must
be bought and bought and bought ........ truly a remarkable savings in
money since membership in the Feingold Association is all it takes.
The Feingold diet is not as hard as keeping Kosher or being a vegetarian
.........and no-one feels sorry for the kids who keep Kosher or become
vegetarian -- it is expected that they will appreciate the benefits of
doing so. How do I know? Because my own kids have kept Kosher, are on the
Feingold diet, and have friends who are vegetarians. We also have friends
whose children are diabetics -- now THERE is a tough diet to learn and
keep. Feingold? It is voted the easiest of them all by the kids who have
had to DO it. My son had been on Ritalin and Cylert and would have also
been on Tegretol because the docs were sure the hallucinations (on Cylert)
were really seizures .......... all meds were cancelled when he developed
Tourette Syndrome ........ a year later I tried the Feingold diet because
nothing else had helped him, I didn't expect that to help either; but in 4
days he was a different child. He still needed someone to write for him in
school for the next year (he was dysgraphic) and untimed tests ........ but
he was no longer off-the-wall emotionally and was able to learn. He is now
a college senior majoring in Chemistry, and doing just fine. This kid who
had been almost kicked out of day camp, had no friends & had been refused
entrance in the local Hebrew school because of his behavior, after becoming
a Feingold kid was voted "most popular CIT" at a day camp, has been a life
guard, is president of the university fencing club (and won the title of
unclassified champion of the city in fencing after only 1 semester of
fencing), was fencing master at the Renaissance Festival, had a lead part
in his high school play as the prince in the Princess & the Pea. He did
not need homeopathy or anything else. It pays to try it, because rather
than medicating the child you simply refrain from poisoning him with stuff
he does not tolerate. The child who is used to it does not feel it as a
hardship; in fact, since I myself have been on the diet with them for years
now, I am absolutely unable to eat fluorescent-yellow rolls or red punch
drinks. As my daughter would say, "I don't eat things that color." When I
look at ingredients and see a list of petroleum-based items, that food is
simply not edible in my book.
Remember, the food dyes and synthetic flavorings are generally made from
petroleum; same with BHT, BHA, TBHQ ........... these are not foods. The
salicylate fruits contain chemicals whose relationship to these things is
complex, but they can usually be returned to the diet after a while, at
least to some extent. And why do companies put petroleum products in your
food, anyway? Because it is CHEAPER than real food products, and it saves
them money. And they will continue to do so until we the people demand
better.
I repeat: the diet approach should always be first; the other
interventions -- if still needed -- should be next, with the least invasive
being the first, of course. And, by the way, we have had numerous reports
that use of the diet together with meds results in success with a much
smaller than expected level of meds. There has not yet been any research
to show why this is so, but a pilot study I myself did this year as a
senior psychology student supports it and points the way to some
interesting research I hope to do in the future. Therefore, even if the
dietary intervention itself does not "work," it may pay to continue to use
the diet while trying the other interventions.
Sorry this was more long-winded than I expected.
Come visit the Feingold web site at
http://www.feingold.org for more
information & drop me a line (I'm the webmaster).
Best wishes,
Shula Edelkind, webmaster
http://www.feingold.org/indexx.html
Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 11:20:23 -0600
From: Steve Waldstein
Subject: Re: ADD Individuality & Diet
Feingold Association wrote:
>
> Steve, it's not at all "funny" to discuss nutrition relating to ADHD
> ....... since in over 50% of people who try the Feingold diet (NOT strictly
> "nutrition," because even junk-food freaks can do it), the person is
> sufficiently better on the diet so that NO other intervention is necessary.
What I thought was funny as that I was talking almost exclusively about
my nutrition book and not about homeopathy. The Feingold approach is to
my mind not really nutritional so much as avoiding poisons, which is
something we all should do. If the Feingold approach is enough to
elimate all out of balance problems in a person then great.
I have no problem at all with your approach of Feingold first, and if
that does not eliminate all problems then consider other approaches
also.
That said, As a homeopath I look at some things a little differently
then you. We look at why of 100 people eating the same diet, some have
problems and some don't. It is because some people have strong
constitutions and some have weak ones. Yes eating a poor diet and
eating poisonous food additives, adds to peoples problems. But a
persone with a strong constitution can be exposed to many stresses
without breaking down. What homeopathy does is increase a person's
constitutional strength so they can handle any reasonable stress they
are exposed to. But still it is important to avoid posions.
PS : I will be on line to answer questions thru Thursday morning.
Steve
Steve Waldstein RSHom (NA)
Classical Homeopathy, Inc.
2600 S. Parker Road #1-313
Aurora, CO 80014 USA
Phone: 303-338-1776
E-mail: stevew@dimensional.com
Web Page:
http://homeopathy-cures.com/
Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 11:27:10 -0600
From: Steve Waldstein
Subject: Re: ADD Individuality & Diet
xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> What is the relationship between homeopathy and nutrition? If a patient
> comes to see you with chronic digetive problems, will homeopathy alone
> often cure them? Or do they generally need to make dietary modifications
> as well? And if so how do they know what to do about their diets?
I will answer this in a slightly different form. Say a person has
massive food allergies. They find that if they avoid a long list of
foods then they have less symptoms. I tell them to continue avoiding
the foods. Then I work on finding the homeopathic remedy which will cure
them. Then after finding the right remedy and seeing that they are
getting better on every level, I then ask them to start slowly
reintroducing foods and see if they can handle them now. I ask them to
first try introducing the foods that they had the least problem with and
when they see then can handle them, slowly add back the rest. If they
still have problems with the foods, I say wait a few months and try
again. The goal is that a person can eat a normal (but good) diet
without having any problems.
Steve
Steve Waldstein RSHom (NA)
Classical Homeopathy, Inc.
2600 S. Parker Road #1-313
Aurora, CO 80014 USA
Phone: 303-338-1776
E-mail: stevew@dimensional.com
Web Page:
http://homeopathy-cures.com/
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 12:29:52 -0700
From: xxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: ADD Thanks
Thank you, Steven, for your reply. While the fields are often divided,
this is exactly the kind of thing that should be discussed among people
interested in holistic health.
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:19:07 -0500
From: "Linda E. Love"
Subject: ADD Question for the doctors
On behalf of my grandson, my daughter would like to ask the following questions:
My 5 year old son was diagnosed with mild ADHD. Is there a "mild" form?
His ADHD seems to only affect his ability to stay focused. He isn't running
around a lot, but does fidget some. Is this typical of some ADHD children?
We put him on a dosage of 5mg of Ritalin, but the school said that there
wasn't much (if any) improvement, so we took him off. Should we try again at
a higher dosage?
TIA
Lisa
Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 11:14:04 -0600
From: Steve Waldstein
Subject: Re: ADD Question for the doctors
Linda E. Love wrote:
> On behalf of my grandson, my daughter would like to ask the following questions:
> My 5 year old son was diagnosed with mild ADHD. Is there a "mild" form?
> His ADHD seems to only affect his ability to stay focused. He isn't running
> around a lot, but does fidget some. Is this typical of some ADHD children?
The name ADHD is just a label. Your son has the issues he has. Like all
children labeled ADD or ADHD he has his own unique symptoms. Of the
hundreds of ADD kids I have treated, each has their own unique symptoms
and the differences between them is much more than the commonalities.
That is why homeopathy usess different remedies for each of these
people.
To understand more read "Ritalin Free Kids"
Steve
Steve Waldstein RSHom (NA)
Classical Homeopathy, Inc.
2600 S. Parker Road #1-313
Aurora, CO 80014 USA
Phone: 303-338-1776
E-mail: stevew@dimensional.com
Web Page:
http://homeopathy-cures.com/
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 21:48:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mark Gold
Subject: ADD Homeopathy Question
Steve,
I have a few more very short questions I was hoping you could answer and
it may be of interest to the group as well.
A person who visits a Classical Homeopath might (before the visit) be
taking a numbers of possible substances:
- Herbs
- Vitamins
- Minerals
- Amino Acids
- Pharmaceuticals
- Other Supplements (e.g., green drinks, vandyl sulfate, etc.)
I have heard that it is better to avoid other treatments (unless
absolutely necessary) while taking homeopathic remedies. My questions
are:
- Is the practice relating to this issue consistent between Classical
Homeopaths, or is there some variation between practitioners?
- Which of the items do you generally recommend not taking when using
homeopathic remedies?
- When you have had success treating children with ADD, have some of
them been on ritalin or similar drugs? And if so, when do they
eliminate the drug? Before, during or after homeopathic treatment?
Thank you again for all of your help!
Best Wishes,
- Mark
mgold@holisticmed.com
Holistic Healing Web Page
http://www.HolisticMed.com/
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 12:30:10 EDT
From: DrRappMD@aol.com
Subject: Re: ADD Homeopathy Question
In a message dated 98-07-08 21:53:05 EDT, you write:
> A person who visits a Classical Homeopath might (before the visit) be
> taking a numbers of possible substances:
> 1. Herbs
> 2. Vitamins
> 3. Minerals
> 4. Amino Acids
> 5. Pharmaceuticals
> 6. Other Supplements (e.g., green drinks, vandyl sulfate, etc.)
> I have heard that it is better to avoid other treatments (unless
> absolutely necessary) while taking homeopathic remedies. My questions
> are:
> 1. Is the practice relating to this issue consistent between Classical
> Homeopaths, or is there some variation between practitioners?
THERE IS CERTAINLY A VARIATION. SOME SAY OPNE THING- OTHERS SAY SOMETHING
ELSE. SOME CSAY CONTINUE ALLERGY EXTRACTS, SOME SAY STOP THEM. SOME SAY ONLY
ONE HOMEOPATHIC REMEDY WORKS; SOME SAY YOU CAN USE A MIX. I AM IN THE MIX
SCHOOL BUT IDEALLY I THINK ONE REMEDY AT A TIME IS BEST. YOU WORK WITH WHAT
HELPS, FASTEST, EASIEST AND MOST INEXPENSIVELY!
> 2. Which of the items do you generally recommend not taking when using
> homeopathic remedies?
I USE ALL OF THEM , INDIVIDUALIZED FOR EACH PATIENT.
> 3. When you have had success treating children with ADD, have some of
> them been on ritalin or similar drugs? And if so, when do they
> eliminate the drug? Before, during or after homeopathic treatment?
IF THEY REALLY NEED THE DRUG, THE PARENT CAN TELL WHEN THEY "RUN OUT OF GAS".
i TELL THEM TO START TO TAPER WITH THE PERMISSION OF THE DOCTOR WHO ORDERED IT
WHEN THEY FIND THEY CAN'T SEE WHEN A DOSE IS LATE OR MISSED. I USE MY
TREATMENTS WITH THE HOMEOPATHIC AND IT SEEMS TO WORK BUT HAVE DONE NO STUDIES
TO TELL WHAT IS DOING WHAT. I DON'T START WITH HOMEOPATHICS. I DO THE DIET
FIRST, BUILD UP THE IMMUNE SYSTEM WITH NUTRIENTS, CLEAN UP THE HOUSE AND
IMPROVE THE DIET. THESE THINGS OFTEN DO THE TRICK WITHOUT ANYTHING ELSE.
Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 11:41:00 -0600
From: Steve Waldstein
Subject: Re: ADD Homeopathy Question
> 1. Is the practice relating to this issue consistent between Classical
> Homeopaths, or is there some variation between practitioners?
Most experienced classical homeopaths would agree. The problems are
that taking drugs and other treatments can supress the symptoms. They
also can impose symptoms of their own (side -effects). So instead of
seeing a clear picture of the patients symptoms we seee the patient
minus some supressed symptoms plus added on symptoms. This makes finding
the right remedy much more difficult. Then after we do find the right
remedy the drugs and treatments can interfere, stopping the remedy from
working well. Also the interpretation of the action of the homeopathic
remedy is more difficult as a result.
Now we often don't have the luxury of treating people without any drugs.
Somoene with lupus may die if you take them off steroids, someone with
asthhma may die without their drugs and with ADD or ADHD children
especially may not function very well without Ritalin or similar drugs.
So the first thing we need to do is clear the field of every drug and
treatment that is not absolutely necessary and reduce drugging as much
as possible. Less experienced homeopaths are not capable of working
around drugs so they can;t treta people who must stay on them, and they
should refer these patients to more experienced homeopaths.
Then you prescribe despite the drugs and as the patient gets better you
start withdrawing the drugs. The short term goal is to get them
reasonable without drugs. The long term goal is cure.
> 2. Which of the items do you generally recommend not taking when using
> homeopathic remedies?
All drugs if possible- see above and also certain other things can
interfere with the patient. These vary from person to person. But most
homeopaths have patients avoid coffee, other treatments, drugs,
anti-perspirants , electric blankets and depending upon the remedy other
things also.
Steve
PS. I leave the list today. Any further questions should be sent to me
personally. And Mark I cant find the going off the list instructions -
please send them to me.
Steve Waldstein RSHom (NA)
Classical Homeopathy, Inc.
2600 S. Parker Road #1-313
Aurora, CO 80014 USA
Phone: 303-338-1776
E-mail: stevew@dimensional.com
Web Page:
http://homeopathy-cures.com/
Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 11:55:17 -0600
From: Steve Waldstein
Subject: Re: ADD Homeopathy Question
DrRappMD@aol.com wrote:
> SOME SAY ONLY
> ONE HOMEOPATHIC REMEDY WORKS; SOME SAY YOU CAN USE A MIX. I AM IN THE MIX
> SCHOOL BUT IDEALLY I THINK ONE REMEDY AT A TIME IS BEST.
Any homeopath only uses one remedy never a mixture. But there are many
people who use potentized remedies (what are called homeopathic
remedies) without prescribing based upon homeopathic principles and
these often use a mixture.
Steve
Steve Waldstein RSHom (NA)
Classical Homeopathy, Inc.
2600 S. Parker Road #1-313
Aurora, CO 80014 USA
Phone: 303-338-1776
E-mail: stevew@dimensional.com
Web Page:
http://homeopathy-cures.com/
Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 12:01:09 -0600
From: Steve Waldstein
Subject: Re: ADD Question for the doctors
DrRappMD@aol.com wrote:
>> The name ADHD is just a label. Your son has the issues he has. Like all
>> children labeled ADD or ADHD he has his own unique symptoms. Of the
>> hundreds of ADD kids I have treated, each has their own unique symptoms
>> and the differences between them is much more than the commonalities.
>> That is why homeopathy usess different remedies for each of these
>> people.
> I CANNOT AGREE. THERE REALLY ARE A CLUSTER OF VERY TYPICAL SYMPTOMS BUT EACH
> CHILD HAS A SLIGHT VARIATION.
The difference in our views is understandable. You are trained as an
allopath. Allopaths diagnoses by putting people into diagnostic boxes,
then chooses treatments depening to some degree on the diagnoses.
Homeoopaths do not use these diagnostic labels at all, in determining
the prescription. The reductionist system of diagnoses gives allopathy
some strengthes, but also some weaknesses. A good book to understand
more is Science of Homeopathy by George Vithoulkas.
> THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT HOMEOPATHICS HELP BUT
> WHAT I HAVE DONE FOR 40 YEARS CERTAINLY WORKS TOO AND NOT TIL RECENTLY
I did not say anything disparaging about your approach. Mine is just
different.
Steve
Steve Waldstein RSHom (NA)
Classical Homeopathy, Inc.
2600 S. Parker Road #1-313
Aurora, CO 80014 USA
Phone: 303-338-1776
E-mail: stevew@dimensional.com
Web Page:
http://homeopathy-cures.com/